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Mayweather refuses to give Pacquiao a 50/50 split. Does this mean negotiations are over? (Photo by Scott Heavey/Getty Images)
Floyd Mayweather was doing so well in the PR battle. He had the backing of the social media from his callout of Manny Pacquiao and he had Bob Arum making terrible excuses about why this fight could not be made. I would have to believe that most of the country thought that Arum was the biggest roadblock for making the biggest fight in history. And then this happens. Floyd emails one of the anchors on SportsCenter about the phone conversation he had with Manny Pacquiao.
"He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can't happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your whole career. I also let him know I'm in control on my side but he needs to get on the same page with his promoter so we can make this fight happen."
After reading that statement you should slam your face into your hands and repeat as needed. With that statement we all know that this fight has no chance of happening by the May 5th deadline. Everyone knows that the only way this fight happens is if both fighters agree to a 50/50 split. Even if Pacquiao agrees to a worse split, there is no way that Arum signs a deal that has Floyd Mayweather taking more of the pot than him.
If you are going to have a conversation like this, don't email ESPN and tell them about it Floyd. This makes you look absolutely terrible. You took all of the good PR that you had and flushed it down the drain. Everyone is going to blame you because you are greedy and you want more of the pot. Congratulations, Floyd. Way to screw the pooch on this one. In light of this information do you think either Floyd or Arum should shoulder most of the blame?
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this seems to push it to
a 52/48 with arum as the big end. floyd is gonna make more then he ever has too so why change now
Elstriko - January 20, 2012 via Android app
Floyd shot himself in the foot
Before pretty much all the blame was on Arum. but now that he wants more money… its all on his shoulders.
The fans were starting to back Mayweather, i dont see why he would ruin all the good press he has been getting with this stupid demand!!!
I hate boxing some times
TheBod - January 20, 2012
I wish boxing had some sort of reward scheme
45/45 split with the other 10% going to the winner. Simple as!
TheBod - January 20, 2012
that’s a good idea…
EL CIERTO (VEN) - January 20, 2012
No Mas, No Mas
I give up! There are plenty of good boxing matches lined up and MMA to keep me entertained.
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
Bad Move
Both corners have equal star quality, so a 50/50 split is logical. Help me out here— I thought Golden Boy was out of the picture? If that is the case, Mayweather’s 50% is truly his keep. Manny’s 50% cut is shared with Arum. Either way, it was a bad PR move to reveal that info.
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
well thats it, all my recent optimism for this fight actually happening depended on mayweathers actually wanting to make it happen, now we know its all a steming pile of turds thanks floyd, you’ve brought us all joy….well at least its all over now
sparky_mufc - January 20, 2012
Hold Up
I seem to recall early on in this drama that Manny was saying he would even take a lesser purse to get this fight done.
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports-in-national/manny-pacquiao-wants-to-fight-mayweather-jr-may-will-take-less-money
Money quote:
Now it may be one of those Manny quotes that isn’t actually a Manny quote, but to Floyd’s defense (I mean that in the loosest sense of the word) Manny is apparently on record saying he would take less. At this point, my interest in this fight has waned severely. I’d much rather see Floyd in with Martinez and call it a career.
MambaFan - January 20, 2012
Good point
I read that article earlier this week
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
Manny might want that
Bob won’t though
Does say that in the article too
Sweet science - January 20, 2012
People have short memories OR just are not aware
I believe Manny has said this on more than one occasion.
I think the reactionary response will paint Mayweather Jr. greedy but What About Bob?
VeeisAnimated - January 20, 2012
Also the so called email might be fake
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532672
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
I thought I allowed for that
I purposely caveated that the email/report could be either fake or disavowed by Manny. In any event, my point was that Mayweather may have been operating under that misinformation (whether valid or not). I personally think this is much ado about nothing. This is a negotiation (unfortunately in the press) and this could be akin to an opening bid of sorts.
MambaFan - January 20, 2012
source for the quote in this post?
Did they announce it on Sportscenter? Who was the anchor?
Tysox88 - January 20, 2012 via mobile
“He asked about a 50/50 split and I told him no that can’t happen, but what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your whole career.”
Um, Manny has taken some large purses in the past. Floyd can count to 100, divide it by 2, and then subtract some, but he can’t go much further than that.
El Destruyo - January 20, 2012
As I’ve said so many times, Floyd Mayweather is an expert at killing momentum.
Apprentice - January 20, 2012
MAYWEATHER IS RIGHT!
THEIR STAR POWER IS NOT EQUAL…PEOPLE GET IT CONFUSED, MANNY IS LOVED WAY MORE THAN FLOYD BUT FM MAKES WAY MORE MONEY PER DIGHT AND BRINGS IN WAY MORE PPV’s PER FIGHT, PERIOD. FM FOUGHT JMM AND MADE MORE MONEY AND PPV’s THAN BOTH OF PAC VS JMM FIGHTS COMBINED. HE MADE MORE AGAINST HATTON, MOSLEY, AND DE LA HOYA THAN PAC DID. IT SHOULD BE A 60/40 SPLIT IN FABOR OF FLOYD. NOT TO MENTION THAT EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT MANNY SAID OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH THAT HE WAS WILLING TO GIVE UP THE LIONS SHARE OF THE POT….LET’S SEE HOW MANY ARTICLES MENTION THAT AND POINT OUT THAT HE’S GOING BACK ON HIS WORD OR AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT READ SAW THAT? IT WAS ONLY A MONTH AGO….WELL IF YOU MISSED IT HERE ARE THREE SEPERATE ARTICLES ON IT.
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11391.html
-http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527712
-http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1006310-pacquiao-mayweather-agreed-to-fight-but-venue-date-and-purse-still-unresolved
BOXING MACHINE - January 20, 2012 via mobile
YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY IS BROKEN!!!!!
erod - January 20, 2012
I don't disagree that Floyd is the biggest ppv seller in boxing. Numbers don't lie.
However, it’s not out of line for Pacquiao to demand 50/50 in that it’s not so far off. If Floyd wants the fight as bad as he is saying, then money shouldn’t be the concern if Pacquiao will split the purse.
rantcatrat - January 20, 2012
STAR POWER!
WhO r U PiCKinG?!
Oli Goldstein - January 20, 2012
Ortiz by broken nose
Sweet science - January 20, 2012
This boxing machine is stuck in 5th gear. Tech support, please?
El Destruyo - January 20, 2012
...uh...no.
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
Where is this from?
I couldn’t find it on espn, boxingscene, or fight hype. Was it just on sportscenter or something? Dan Rafeal doesn’t have it on twitter.
Anyway if it’s true then Floyd just lost the PR battle for sure. Even though Pac said he would do less then 50-50 before, we all knew that wasn’t happening, nor should it. They both deserve the equal money.
erod - January 20, 2012
It’s just from last night’s SportsCenter. They had the quotes up and I just copied them down.
Waldo Rastel - January 20, 2012
just when floyd was looking good..he shoots himself in the foot..smh..f both these guys already..hit me up when these two dudes fight..im gonna pay attention to berto ortiz martinez mackling kirkland molina..donaire vasquez..tired of these divas
Vicmatic1 - January 20, 2012
oh. my. god.
my hopes were so high…..
FrontHandMan - January 20, 2012
Well, not to pour salt on the wounds, but that’s your own damn fault haha =)
Apprentice - January 20, 2012
No 50-50, no fight
It’s as simple as that. Lots of people say some bullshit about what circumstances they’d be willing to fight under, but these two aren’t getting in the ring unless it’s a 50-50 split.
Mayweather may feel like he’s a bigger star, and he certainly has a bigger American following. But they’re probably on roughly equal footing in terms of global draw. Floyd’s used to taking the vast majority of the money made in his fights, so is he willing to scale that back for Pacquiao?
The thing that I think people miss is this isn’t really about the money, per se. It’s not, IMO, that Floyd desperately wants an extra $1-2 million from the fight. He’s got plenty of cash. It’s a respect thing. Floyd thinks he’s a better fighter and a bigger star and feels he shouldn’t have to concede on the split.
AndrewDM - January 20, 2012
I feel this fight won't get made until
Floyd publicly humbles himself a little so that Arum feels he’s won something.
Or maybe until Manny is ready to retire and it’s his last fight.
LooseCannon - January 20, 2012
I love this overreaction...
as soon as Floyd Mess up a bit with a clumsy comment it negates every lie Bob Arum said.
From the 6 month cut, to the stadium, to the outright refusal to fight may 5th date.
Mayweather says it’s not gonna be 50-50 BOOM people forget everything Bob did to avoid the fight
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
I think you’re highly underrating just how members there are in my camp, Mohammedini: the Everyone Is Fucking This Up Badly Camp.
We haven’t forgotten Arum, but this is just our current thing to be angry at. And then Bob will do something dumb, and maybe Golden Boy will do something dumb, and our sad little sport of headlines will continue. That is to say, dude, we’re way too jaded to pick sides anymore, and kind of think anyone who can is half-insane.
El Destruyo - January 20, 2012
I just think its funny how someone that has been supposedly chasing a fight for 3 years would make s many excuses for a fight not happening
I just find it also convenient that a promoter (You might not know this guy Bob Arum ;)) Hates Floyds guts.
Also When was the last time FLoyd fought anyone from Bob’s stable?
Btw didn’t Bob Block fighters from fighting ODLH when ODLH left Arum, Namely Floyd(the reason Floyd left).
So this just follows a pattern of vindictive sociopaths behavior from Arum.
The guy blocks a fight for 3 years, making it look as if Floyd is performing a massive duck, while protecting his cashcow and connect Pac’s name with FLoyds so that every Floyds name get brought up, you get Pac’s name mentioned.
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
+100²
Elstriko - January 20, 2012 via Android app
meant for EL dest
Elstriko - January 20, 2012 via Android app
Nobody has forgotten..
But you know damn well that anything other then 50-50 is a deal breaker as well.
erod - January 20, 2012
Years of the press not Calling Bob Arum out on his lies and yet a harmless comment like this make people flip out
Harmless in something that can easily be talked over.
Also didn’t PAcman selflessly “offer” to take a lower purse?
Maybe he is eating his words
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
As of late...
everybody in the press has been calling out Arum for not wanting to make this fight. Rafeal and Iole in particular…
erod - January 20, 2012
yes now...
2 months doesn’t negate almost 2 years of bad press
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
I said for the last year that Pac Floyd ain’t NEVER gonna happen until it’s bhop rjj 2 territory. To top that off, I knew all along the PED accusations were demands… nothing more, just demands to get the higher ground in negotiating, to make Pac look like an ARSE, and to hold off on the fight a little longer… and all along pple are strung along by a guy who has a record of avoiding the best opponents in his division, who protects his record like his shoulder protects his chin, who has injected PEDs in his knuckles, who has admitted to domestic violence charges, who has assaulted employees, and who has fought the lightweight champion at a fake catchweight, an older champion who he refused to fight in 2009 after the Marg fight, and a young, green fighter who had no chance of beating him. Great Floyd! Let’s keep listening to Floyd on twitter, maybe he’ll enlighten US, punk!
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
All I got on Pacquiao is that he has illegitimate children running around, but by his in ring record and his out of ring record in boxing, he’s pretty spotless except for the mosley fight.
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
60 40 i'll whoop yo' arse!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJbOw_5DPiE
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
Spotless in the ring?
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
We should create a drinking game
For every time you bring up the domestic case and JMM fight, everyone has to take a drink.
By this rate I would become a raging alcoholic cus you are bringing it up daily.
I love that Pactards(cus you are a pactard ) loves to bring up the wife beating and FLoyds former use of Xylocaine
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
I mention that b/c they’re true. They’re facts. Facts that you, Ben Thompson and Vivek Wallace (are you Vivek Wallace?) like to ignore. And that Floyd is god, never wrong… every time someone says something agst Floyd, MUST be a pactard, even tho I’m not that big of a pacquiao fan… he looked like shit in two fights and is going down hill… I’m stating facts, one’s character is a big representation of whether you could trust the person or not. Floyd simply dug himself into a bigger hole. I’m glad you keep on record what I say, b/c i tend to gloss over what you have to say b/c you’re so pro-Mayweather that you never see anything objectively… i’ve listed pros and cons of pacquiao, b/c i’m an andre ward fan, so pacquiao doesn’t always do it for me, i can list the pros and cons of floyd…. brilliant in the ring, picks his opponent, smart and makes a lot of money, dishonest and egotistical… pacquiao: a machine in the ring, picks his opponents now, very popular, a gentleman….
as far a arum, i dont listen to his posturing. I’m indifferent to him. sometimes he’s good for boxing, sometimes he’s not (gamboa juanma?). but, floyd’s character has everything to do with this situation, b/c ppl trust his word, and I’m asking why?
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
Comical post!
First off, you are a massive Pac fan and teh fact that you try to hide it is just comical.
I had a heated argument with you a couple of months ago where you got so emotional over PAc.
And another thing, You accuse me of not being objective and emotional when you bring up completely unrelated thing like “Floyd is a wife beater and a scumbag” tyope comment in every thing related to the guy.
You also bring up the JMm fight like you just found out about it multiple times.
Criticizing FLoyd for a fight that happened 3 years ago using words like “a blown up lw that he tricked with a fake catchweight” and so on isn’t emotional?
What does the JMM fight ahs to with this?
Also the fact that you seem to think Arum has nothing to do with the fight not happening just confirms what I already knew.
That you don’t seem to know whats going on with the whole thing.
I gather that you only get your info from BL.
its a great source of general boxing news but it’s still a one man crew and everything doesn’t get reported.
The point is Bob Arum is the main reason why the fight hasn’t happened.
Emotional that you are, you have a problem not blaming everything on Floyd.
or you don’t know wtf you are talking about, which seems very possible
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
Yeah, this will get you banned pretty quickly.
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
I was waiting for that. I love this site! This is why I only comment here now. There’s no tolerance here for that kinda shit.
Apprentice - January 20, 2012
I went out of line
I admit that.
Too much boxingscene XD.
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
It happens.
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
We get it FLoyd is a scumbag
But Arum is performing the duck of the century.
Why have I never heard you mentioning that before?
Why ahve you not commented about the ridiculously stupid stadium excuse or the “cut that won’t heal for 6 month” excuse from Arum?
You know criticizing Arum has nothing to do with you god Pacman
Mohammedini Hussein - January 20, 2012
Bob is also trying to delay Floyd’s sentence.
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
I’m glad you’re so emotionless and reserved about this.
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
HA
Balanced and eloquent as always.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
hmmm
Mayweather wanted Mosley back in 2007 and it was Shane who backed out. I recall him using the lame excuse of his tooth being loose.
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
JMM
Why is it ok for Manny to rematch the “lightweight” at a catch weight, fight an over the hill De La Hoya & Mosley? I will go back even further — Morales was on his way out in the 2nd match and Barerra was shot as well. Manny also ducked junior Jones and Zahir Raheem… All fighters have a suspect resume. All fighters have skeletons in the closet. We want to see The Fight, we are not christening a saint. Look at both sides my friend.
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
+1
Its not 100% the commenters’ fault. No one reports on Manny from an objective view here in America. Actually, probably the media from Philippines does a far better job. Its easy to make Manny to look good and Floyd to look bad. Floyd does make it easy for the US media to make him look like a bad person, tho.
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
Manny ducking Raheem is laughable hater material, but I’ve heard it before. Ducking Junior Jones, that’s a new one. Morales was shot, yet he needs only one eye to give Maidana a very tough fight. You know, they guy that made Ortiz quit in 6 with an eye swelling.. And as washed up as Barrera was for the rematch, he was coming off a very close fight to a still prime JMM.
HamzaWanderaWRSCO - January 20, 2012
Nice
Zahir Raheem & Junior Jones are laughable? I will even go as far to say he ducked Mark Johnson & Joan Guzman too. Look at his fights Morales – 2 and Barrera again. They were on their way out…
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
He ducked Junior Jones? Do you think he ducked Kennedy McKinney and Tom Johnson too?
Kory Kitchen - January 20, 2012
That’s common wisdom they were washed up, I don’t even dispute it. What I’m saying is, they were still better than just about anyone around. Remember when Barrera blew out hapless Fana in 2? Then for the next couple of years, Fana was ranked top 3 by the Ring at SFW, including 1 for a stretch. I’d expected/hoped JMM would handle MAB easily on freshness at least, but that fight was uncomfortably close.
I’ll humor you on the ducking: Manny probably could have fought Guzman at some point, and could have had issues with him. But Guzman left his punch at 122. Even his flagship post 122 win in Soto was somehow underwhelming, if I remember. And everything that came after that makes it hard to feel too sorry for him. Raheem, I dunno, was he supposed to fight him instead of avenging his defeat to ATG Morales, one division up? Next thing, Raheem loses in yet another stinker. He was a talented spoiler (in the worst un-tv friendly way), who had no confidence in his chin. And no speed advantage against Pac, bad combo. And ultimately is a pimple on Morales ass, never even managing to bag a cheap title for all his slickness. I do wish him the best, and think he was hard done by against Juarez. But his eyesore style does him no favors.
OK, now Manny’s supposed to have ducked Mark Johnson too? Please give the timeframe.
HamzaWanderaWRSCO - January 20, 2012
I agree with everything you said except the Raheem fight should have happened because Raheem was still able to make super feather at that time. Raheem fought Morales at 132 or 133 because Morales couldn’t make 130 anymore. Why not fight the winner instead of the loser?
36_chambers_ofdeatH - January 20, 2012
Because the winner still wasn’t worth as much money. Do people really wonder why these things happen?
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
I don’t wonder why didn’t happen, I just think it makes sense to fight the winner instead of the loser, but we know common sense isn’t welcomed in boxing.
36_chambers_ofdeatH - January 21, 2012
Because Manny had a loss to avenge. Not to mention that Morales is a legend, and that Pac Morales 1 and 2 were highly anticipated, and awesome action fights. Raheem is as much of a pain to watch as to fight, unless he’s totally not threatened by his opponent.
HamzaWanderaWRSCO - January 20, 2012
Agreed , and the second Morales-Pacquiao fight was the best of them all.
36_chambers_ofdeatH - January 21, 2012
Good god.
Shitali Klitschko - January 20, 2012 via mobile
this is seriously the best possible fight in combat sports
why the fuck cant these guys make it happen
milk72 - January 20, 2012
Looks like my thoughts about the phone
conversation were pretty close.
Pops Daniels - January 20, 2012
That was a solid 8/10 on the truthiness scale.
Waldo Rastel - January 20, 2012
KNEE SLAPPER
honorablecbm - January 20, 2012 via iPhone app
So would this be 50/50 of everything?
Even Floyd’s hot dog money?
Craig111 - January 20, 2012
Isn’t covering any aspect of this entire spasm of lunacy, aside from some formal announcement of a signed contract with a date and venue, simply killing precious moments of our lives? Or, more precisely, isn’t covering anything whatever to do with FMJ a waste?
I think the fight won’t, and shouldn’t, happen. What would be lost?
DrRck - January 20, 2012
Nothing, anymore. This fight entered RJJ vs Hopkinsville 2 Pac fights ago. It’s no longer The Fight.
BoxAnne - January 20, 2012
Disagree to a degree
It still is the fight.
But not the fight it once could have been
Sweet science - January 20, 2012
It absolutely is nowhere near RJJ-Hopkins II level. They are still the two best and biggest fighters in the world. Some of you guys who want to downplay this fight’s importance and meaning are making some really absurd statements, to be honest.
Scott Christ - January 20, 2012
Well, it’s there for me.
BoxAnne - January 20, 2012
Respectfully, I stand by what I’ve said.
DrRck - January 21, 2012
70/30 split
According to ESPN UK. If that is the case, Floyd really doesn’t want to take these negotiations seriously.
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/132001.html
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
Ha!
Now you see why Floyd needs his handlers to help him with negotiations.
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
I know
Someone just needs to get a handle on his mouth/ego. He can ask for a 70/30 split in private and negotiate from there; when he does it in public it makes him look like he doesn’t have a grasp on reality (or that he just wants to talk in circles until the fight is off).
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
I think he just likes seeing the media pretty much cover his every move. All this week he is pretty much the only boxer that is mentioned on the espn info ticker (i just made that name up, i dunno what its called).
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
*oh shit, the bottom line?
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
huh?
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
The name of that thing on the bottom of your screen when u watch espn, i think its called ‘the bottom line.’
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
Oh
Yes, I think that is what it’s called.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
floyd would attract media if he fought more often too!
cylee1180 - January 20, 2012
No doubt
He is good for the sport (as loudmouths usually are). Bombastic personalities sell tickets. The problem we have here is that there are no tickets to be sold since his mouth is ruining this fights chances.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
In this most recent case, yes.
Clove_art - January 20, 2012
45-45 split.
The winner gets the remaining 10%.
Sugel Mendoza - January 20, 2012
Never going to happen, especially if that 10% is something like 10 million dollars.
Waldo Rastel - January 20, 2012
why not.
Economically speaking incentive schemes like that provide the most efficient outcomes in fights. Giving fighters further incentive to go out there and win. A lot of the problems where fighters run for 12 rounds can be avoided with some sort of incentive scheme.
TheBod - January 20, 2012 via mobile
They don’t want to take the risk of losing, and therefore, having less money. Also, say if someone got screwed over by terrible judging now they’re out of $10 million through no fault of their own. Too much risk involved for most elite fighters to accept it.
Kory Kitchen - January 20, 2012
This also encourages corruption. If judges are only paid $50,000 for a big fight yet $10 million is riding on their decision, then the temptation to bribe and the temptation to accept a bribe is extremely high.
Waldo Rastel - January 20, 2012
I hope both of these guys get their asses kicked in their next fight so we don’t have to hear about this nonsense ever again.
SilverLaker - January 20, 2012
Strange
I thought Floyd was WAY above Manny in PPV numbers…
In order of buyrate for their last few fights:
-Floyd Mayweather vs.Oscar De La Hoya -2,400,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez- 1,450,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley-1,400,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley-1,300,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Oscar De La Hoya-1,250,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto-1,250,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Victor Ortiz-1,250,000
-Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito-1,150,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Márquez-1,050,000
-Floyd Mayweather vs. Ricky Hatton-920,000
-Ricky Hatton vs. Manny Pacquiao-850,000
So there is one outlier when DLH was still considered a viable threat and huge PPV buy. Aside from that, where is the justification that Floyd is a bigger drawl?
Floyd’s average buyrate is 1.404m including the DLH fight (a total of 5 fights)
Manny’s is 1.208m (a total of 6 fights).
Against common opponents:
Floyd: 1.4425m
Manny: 1.2125
Those numbers are dead even without DLH in the mix.
Manny: 1.2m
Floyd: 1.123m
If you remove the fights against non-common opponents, and remove the one PPV marquee name that they both faced equally, they sell virtually the exact same amount of PPV.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
Interesting. But ppv figures are never 100% accurate.
TheBod - January 20, 2012
That is true.
Though I have no idea which way that would push the results.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
I think the whole “Floyd draws more” argument showed a greater disparity before Manny fought Mosley and Marquez in 2011. Up to that point, his biggest draw was Cotto all the way back in 2009. In 2011, they’re pretty much dead even.
Here’s a question in general — does anyone know how non-USA viewings are accounted for, both in viewers as well as revenue? We know quite well the price and viewers for HBO/Showtime, but what about internationally? I had read the Pacquiao/Marquez fight was the most viewed event in Mexican television history.
Competent Laurence Cole - January 20, 2012
Yeah
I took that into consideration, which is why I left out all of their market share (non-ppv) fights and Mayweather before DLH (Low buy rates for Gatti 365,000, Judah 374,000, Baldomir 325,000). It’s safe to say that DLH MADE Floyd a PPV stalwart, as he was nothing before that fight. I also left out Manny’s Morales/JMM PPVs.
I have looked for the viewership in Mexico and Philippines ( as well as weekend volume in Vegas for each fighters respective fights) and I can’t find cited numbers.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
In reality
Neither of these guys really started to destroy the box office until people started talking about them fighting each other.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
Mayweather-Hatton I think did something like 1.4 million buys in England which is pretty amazing when you consider they are much smaller than the U.S. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong, but I think that’s what I remember reading.
Kory Kitchen - January 20, 2012
Yup
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/2329041/Ricky-Hatton-shatters-viewing-record.html
1.4 official for Floyd Vs Hatton in the UK. The Brits really thought he could win that fight.
As for a previous question, JMM vs Manny 3 hit 37 million viewers in Mexico. That’s a 30 share of the rating, by contrast the highest rated program in US history did a 46.
By population the Superbowl had around 111m viewers out of a population of 309m, JMMvManny 3 was 37m/113m.
Superbowl= 35.9% of the US population
Fight= 32.7% Mexican population
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
The foreign numbers don’t matter much since they don’t come at $50+ a pop. Even the UK PPVs are like 15 pounds. What is so impressive is they got those numbers for a 4 am fight.
HamzaWanderaWRSCO - January 20, 2012
Yeah
I have never even bothered to take foreign numbers into consideration. Assuming we just talk about viewership, their is no doubt in my mind that Manny has put more asses in the seats and eyes on the T.V. than Floyd, but what matters to Americans (and most of the market) is how they do with paying customers inside the U.S.
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
*there
younggunzvt - January 20, 2012
He never really wanted this fight....
He called and had duBoef on the phone twice in the past three weeks and NOT ONCE asked to actually sit down and make the fight happen.
It was pure profiling.
pakinpower - January 21, 2012
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