Canelo Alvarez and Shane Mosley are set to meet on May 5 on the Mayweather vs Cotto undercard. (Photos by Harry How and Ethan Miller/Getty Images)
For months now, I've been dreading the official announcement of a Canelo Alvarez vs Shane Mosley fight. That came last night, when Oscar De La Hoya made the fight a reality via his Twitter account.
Boxing fans were supposed to jump for joy. Some did -- I'm not ignoring that there are so-called "casual fans" who like this fight, but I believe they're wrong. I don't mean that to sound smug, even though I know that it does. I just cannot look at this fight and like it.
Except for those moments where I read quotes from Shane Mosley, the 40-year-old veteran who is more sitting at the bottom of the other side of the hill than he is simply over the top of it. In those brief moments, I remember the Shane Mosley I became a fan of so many years ago, and I remember how devastating he could be. How damn good (at times, truly great) he really was. And how I always just plain liked Shane Mosley along with liking his fights and admiring his talent.
Here's what he told ESPN.com about the fight:
"This is more of a fight to prove myself. I know I didn't look good in my last couple of fights and I really to make a statement in this fight," Mosley told ESPN.com on Friday night. "I just want to get in the ring, fight a world champion and win another belt.
"I'm very excited and happy. It's another chance for me to show that I still belong. He's a young guy and it's a tough fight, but I'm excited to get the fight. A lot of guys want to be in the position I am in to have this type of fight."
For a moment, "Gonna Fly Now" enters my mind and I see Mosley busting his ass at Big Bear with the esteemed Naazim Richardson, getting himself ready for this fight. Most of the informed feel he has little to no chance, but he doesn't see it that way. This is the final shot.
Then, I rejoin the real world.

In the real world, Shane Mosley is a fighter whose slurred, dulled, nasal-y speech has worried fight fans and observers familiar with his entire career. He speaks differently than he used to, and that's a fact. People point this out because it's a concern, because as brutal as the boxing reality that fighters get hurt really is, nobody wants to see it, and nobody wants to feel like they're seeing it happen and get worse.
He's a fighter who in his last five fights has had one good performance, against an Antonio Margarito who had just been through quite an ordeal in his locker room before the fight. A few months before that fight, Mosley struggled with an extremely limited Ricardo Mayorga, leading promoter Lou DiBella, an independent party with no interest in the fight, to say that if Mosley fought Margarito, they'd take him out "in a pine box."
That's how iffy Mosley looked against Mayorga, and also how monstrous Margarito was thought to be at the time. Of course, Mosley thrashed Margarito, who has never once looked good in the ring again.
And by the way: Mosley vs Margarito was over three years ago. That's the last time Shane Mosley won a fight.
For those thinking that a once-great fighter has another big night in him, chances are that was the final big night for Shane Mosley. When he decimated Margarito, he shocked the boxing world. When he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr, Sergio Mora, and Manny Pacquiao, he was a shell of the man he was that night in Los Angeles.
What happened?
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There are long answers, and we'll go semi-long with a couple, but the short answer is: Nothing, really.
Mosley was 37 years old the night he wiped the canvas with Margarito and beat him into submission and into Javier Capetillo's trembling arms.
There is a misconception, it seems, that fighters are hanging around as top talents longer than they used to, and maybe they are, but not to an enormous degree. There's only one Bernard Hopkins out there really pushing the envelope to unseen lengths, and the continued relevance of someone like Antonio Tarver probably has more to do with an overall dilution of the talent pool, and really, who has Tarver beaten in recent years? Another old guy, Danny Green. Vitali Klitschko is now in his 40s, but he's working against what may be the worst crop of heavyweight contenders in history.
I'm not saying that my rankings are perfect, but they're not terribly far off from most independent rankings, so we'll go with those. Here's a quick breakdown, by division:
| Division | Average Age | Oldest | Youngest |
|---|---|---|---|
| Heavyweight | 32.2 | Vitali Klitschko (40) | Tyson Fury(23) |
| Cruiserweight | 32.2 | Antonio Tarver (43) | Marco Huck (27) |
| Light Heavyweight | 31.8 | Bernard Hopkins (47) | Nathan Cleverly (24) |
| Super Middleweight | 32.4 | Glen Johnson (43) | Andre Ward (27) |
| Middleweight | 29.8 | Sergio Martinez (36) | Andy Lee (27) |
| Junior Middleweight | 29.0 | Cornelius Bundrage (38) | Canelo Alvarez (21) |
| Welterweight | 31.4 | Shane Mosley (40) | Kell Brook (25) |
| Junior Welterweight | 28.4 | Erik Morales (35) | Danny Garcia (23) |
| Lightweight | 28.6 | Juan Manuel Marquez (38) | Brandon Rios (25) |
| Super Featherweight | 26.8 | Takashi Uchiyama (32) | Adrien Broner (22) |
| Featherweight | 29.6 | Celestino Caballero (35) | Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo (27) |
| Super Bantamweight | 31.1 | Rafael Marquez (36) | Akifumi Shimoda (27) |
| Bantamweight | 29.5 | Vic Darchinyan (36) | Leo Santa Cruz (23) |
| Super Flyweight | 28.2 | Omar Narvaez (36) | Suriyan Sor Rungvisai (22) |
| Flyweight | 28.9 | Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (34) | Hernan Marquez (23) |
| Junior Flyweight | 27.2 | Gilberto Keb Baas (34) | Johnriel Casimero (21) |
| Strawweight | 26.5 | Juan Palacios (31) | Kazuto Ioka (22) |
One note: At 108, I subbed out the 40-year-old Luis Lazarte for Johnriel Casimero, as Casmero beat Lazarte last night and will be taking his place in the rankings. That effectively subs out the oldest man for the youngest, but takes last night's events into account.
Shane Mosley is, by far, the smallest of the really old (40+) ranked fighters, and would be even if you moved him up to 154, which may be only two divisions below 168 (where Glen Johnson hangs on by a thread), but is a world of difference in reality.
Some of these older guys are here by default almost -- only Klitschko and Hopkins are really near the tops of their divisions. Tarver, Johnson, Mosley are there as placeholders, more because there aren't more established fighters in those weight classes.

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Let's also not forget that Mosley has not had some dainty career. His entire career, he has been a physical fighter. This is a lot more important in analyzing Mosley's fall from grace than just saying, "He's been in a lot of wars and they have taken a toll on him." That is very, very true, and very important, but when you watch Mosley's last three fights, what do you see?
A fighter who doesn't fight the way he used to. Mosley always had a knack for getting cracked, taking it, and coming back just as hard. That is not Shane Mosley anymore. The last moment of his career he looked good, he whacked Floyd Mayweather right in the mush and nearly had him down. Then the next 10 rounds of that fight, with Mayweather punishing Mosley, something happened that had never happened before.
Shane Mosley turned into a guy who no longer liked contact. He annoyed Mayweather with his attempts to play nice all the time, with the "bro hugs" and the apologies for this or that. We'd see this again later, when Mayweather socked Victor Ortiz two times in the face and put him out last September. Mosley didn't take it as far as Ortiz, since he didn't moronically headbutt Floyd, but there was a moment where Mayweather clearly seemed to say to Mosley, "Stop trying to touch gloves with me. This is a fight."
Mosley and Mora were a disaster, and it amounted to a brutally ugly fight. Mora is no work of art in the ring in the first place, but Mosley, getting too old, couldn't find him or catch up to him. He couldn't land meaningful shots. Mora played keepaway, and Shane Mosley, who once would have been good enough to stop that game, was no longer able to force the action as he once might have.
The Pacquiao debacle, jeered as soon as it was signed (so easy to forget), saw Mosley again wanting to play nice. Glove tapping and bro hugs and buddy-buddy body language. Mosley ran from contact eventually, after Pacquiao dropped and hurt him early in the fight. He survived. Shane Mosley has never, ever been a fighter who fought just to survive.
Against Mayweather, Mora, and Pacquiao, fighters of three very different styles and approaches, Shane Mosley couldn't prove that he wasn't an old man in a young man's game (or at least a younger man's game). And he fought nothing like the Shane Mosley we keep in our memories.
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We are supposed to buy that somehow, Shane Mosley has rejuvenated himself in the last year, and is now some type of threat to Canelo Alvarez, a powerful, 21-year-old fighter just now starting to come into his own.
There is the argument that Alvarez has never beaten someone like Mosley. I'd say he's never beaten someone like the Shane Mosley we choose to remember sometimes. In reality, he's beaten plenty of fighters about the same as the 2012 version of Shane Mosley.
Kermit Cintron in November wasn't far off from Mosley, as he was a former name who supposedly had the power and experience to challenge Alvarez. He didn't challenge Alvarez at all.
Cintron's decline into irrelevance was a shorter fall, because he never reached Mosley's heights, but like Mosley, Cintron had looked dreadful in recent fights, and really didn't deserve the shot ahead of so many more deserving candidates. Shane even helped prepare Cintron for that fight, and the two reportedly had wars in sparring. I questioned then whether it was a good thing to let it be known that Mosley was "warring" with Cintron.
Alvarez says -- well, Oscar and Schaefer say for him -- that he wants to knock out Shane Mosley, a fighter who has never been knocked out. But if he does, and he might, then he won't really be knocking out Shane Mosley. He'll be knocking out an old man with the name Shane Mosley. It's something to market, but it doesn't make it legit.
The reason I feared the Alvarez vs Mosley announcement is because I knew how it would go down, and it has. Eventually, more people will start to think, "Gee, ya know, that Canelo is green, and Mosley is a great fighter, just a little past his prime." But he's not a little past his prime. He's years and years past his prime. He was a little past his prime when he fought Fernando Vargas and Miguel Cotto. He was a little past his prime when he fought Luis Collazo.
He was getting well past his prime against Mayorga. The Margarito fight was a blip on the radar, a big anomaly in the middle of a very steady, very normal, very natural decline of a once-great fighter.
They can say that Canelo Alvarez will be facing Shane Mosley on May 5, but he won't be. He's going to be facing a ragged, deteriorated Shane Mosley whose sugar isn't so sweet anymore, who fights because like many before him, he doesn't know that he should stop, or because he simply can't stop.
None of this is really about Canelo Alvarez at all. If we're being really honest, nothing he can do on May 5 is going to be all that impressive. Even if he knocks Shane Mosley out, so what? If you compare it and say he did something Mayweather and Pacquiao couldn't do, it's just as easily said that Mosley's even older now, rusty, and fighting at a weight (154) where he's never been near his best in the past. If he becomes the first Mexican fighter to beat Shane Mosley -- which they've hinted at hyping and will undoubtedly go big on in the coming months -- then big deal. There are several Mexican fighters who could beat Shane Mosley right now.
The only important development that can happen on May 5 is Shane Mosley winning, which is incredibly unlikely, or giving Alvarez more problems than he has any business giving him anymore, which will tell us something about Canelo Alvarez, but probably not about Shane Mosley.
If Alvarez even struggles against Mosley, consider it an upset. If Mosley wins, or even makes a case for himself, consider it one of the greatest "old man" stories in boxing history.
Hopefully he'll be played off triumphantly (think Conti's "The Final Bell") and not as a feeble image, a haunting and ultimately depressing reminder of what used to be. I'm unfortunately certain which will be the final song of this movie, though.
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I think this fight is gonna be lights out for Mosley
I’m not buying into the " This is the time where I show the fans, blah blah" I heard that crap before Mayweather. How May 1st is gonna be May’s 1st loss. Then the moral victory crap about, :“Well, I had him. I just couldn’t finish him. But I did have him”
Then for the buildup for the Pac fight, all you heard was: “Well Mayweather is a difficult style for anyone. He can make a fight dull with his style. But Pacquaio comes to fight. Pac vs Mosley will be a WAR!!!!”
And Mosley comes out to LL Cool J, Mama Said Knock U Out. So I even, for a split second atleast, thought Mosley may make things interesting. Boy was I wrong. He and his team hoodwinked the public. And I also blame that “know it all” Emanuel Steward for repeatedly hyping this fight. I wish I could’ve seen his face after the 12th round after all the work he put into telling the paying customer that this was going to be a barn-burner. Shane is done.
Maybe Shane needs a really good Ass-whipping. I dont mean a loss, I mean a true asswhipping. Something like domintaed through the first 6 rounds and a brutal KO after a highly dominated round by Alvarez. Maybe then he’ll get the picture. And I also do believe that if Mosley comes to fight, not survive, but fight, Alvarez will stop him. And that might be the best thing for Shane. Because if he wins, then its gonna be another 5 years of him and a bunch of “I told you so”
Zfan - February 11, 2012
This is really harsh stuff, but might just be true.
Olbas - February 11, 2012
I thought that as well. If Shane gets knocked out, it’ll be a lot harder to hype him up for a fight worth any kind of $$$.
Wouldn’t be too surprised if he lost and then came over to the UK to fight Kell Brook or something.
gravydeath - February 11, 2012
This is what makes sense
But did anybody watch that brutal Roy Jones KO vs Dennis Lebedev??? And if that crazy ass is still fighting after that then anything is possible.
But then again, thats why I said Shane needs to get dominated all the way through, and then a brutal KO. Roy was having some success, and then BOOM. KO!!!!
Zfan - February 11, 2012
I don’t like to insinuate against Shane as i too was a fan of his in his prime, but after being caught cheating once some people are going to always be suspicious, especially in a sport like boxing where the drug testing is relatively easy to get around.
My point here is that when i think back to how great Mosley looked against Margarito, almost as good as the old Shane, imo, it just makes me a bit suspicious when you look at how bad he looked prior to the Margo fight and how bad he has looked since (apart from early on against Floyd).
Is it just coincidence that he was stringently tested for drugs before and after the Mayweather fight and faded after a couple of rounds?
I know Floyd and Margo are about as different in styles as you can get, and maybe Margo was mentally affected after being busted, but Shane looked like lightning with his combos that night.
Honestly, as i said, i don’t like to make accusations, but in this game, and when you’ve done it before, some people are going to be suspicious.
After all, history has shown us Shane’s not exactly as innocent as his always smiling face might suggest, and i’m not just referring to the positive test.
I know i’m probably wrong here and that, as you say, the Marg fight was his last hurrah, but i can’t help but wonder, all things considered.
Matt Mosley - February 11, 2012
Personally, I think his difference in effectiveness was mostly due to styles. Mosley has always been better against agressive fighters. Watch his 1st fight with Oscar, his fights with Vargas, and his lightweight clashes with men like John Molina and John Brown. If you come at Mosley he will generally handle you pretty easily.
When Oscar made the adjustment in the rematch to box him he largely neurtralized Mosley’s offense with a jab. I always thought Oscar won the rematch handily, regardless of what the judges scored. Vernon Forrest used his 6’ frame, long jab, and clinching to stop Mosley from being effective.
Mayweather’s style, in my mind, is made to neutralize Mosley. He is calculating, patient, and will not be hurried. He can easily jab Mosley and counter with straight rights at will. Mosley has never had a good defense for right hands. Cotto landed a lot of straight rights. Even Vargas, slow as he was, had moderate success with the right hand.
Kory Kitchen - February 11, 2012
I do vividly remember
just how lightning quick Shane looked that night. I’m sure you’re not the only one who wonders given everything, but I prefer to think it was a case of Margo’s issues mentally and with the weight being a the key factors. To be fair, virtually no-one was fooled by that into thinking he might have a chance against Mayweather (unlike – ahem – myself!) or that he was Really back or whatever.
BrianBrock - February 11, 2012
Well let's face it
If we are going to be harsh and tell the truth about Shane Mosely, the facts are clear. He was a cheater. Simple as that.
We have heard endless dialogue about ‘what if’ Fighter A used PEDS against Fighter B and how dangerous or effective that use may be in a martial sport. But the fact is we have in Shane Mosely a bonafide cheater….and we have forgiven him regardless.
I neednt say any more. The facts speak for themselves
pakinpower - February 12, 2012
Thanks for the differing opinions. I was interested to know what others thought.
Matt Mosley - February 12, 2012
Matt
We can never know what athletes, including our sports heroes have and/or have not done in the past, but if they have been caught, we can speculate.
And will.
That does not mean that Shane Mosely cheated forever but it is reasonable to assume that he did try to (as most athletes do) get every advantage possible; including those around the margins.
The difference between good and great elite athletes can be miniscule in practice but huge on the field.
My point is that SSM has been given a lifetime pass for an offense that many believe is not only significant….but egregious.
pakinpower - February 12, 2012
The only things Shane has going for him here are the question marks surrounding canelo’s chin and the fact that he won’t have to make 147 at 40. It’s no coincidence that his less important fights like Mora and Mayorga were at 154. I had the opportunity to talk to him on the phone right before Mayorga and he said that he feels more explosive not having to make welter.
After a hard day’s work and during the final week, when he is making weight, it’s hard to understand what he’s saying. When you get to the point where the speech is slurred, it’s too late.
30 years of boxing, most of it at the top level, pro and amateur, has taken it’s toll on his body and brain.
I really don’t know how I feel about his entire team now. If I have noticed a difference, they surely have. They must know that he shouldn’t be fighting… I dunno.
I’m sad. I wish there was something we could do to stop it.
That said, If Shane goes 12 with Floyd, Pac and Canelo, with significant brain damage, he’s one of the hardest men ever.
There’s a picture out there of Shane as a little kid sitting beside an old Ali… he sounds like Ali during the final stages of his career.
I wish there was something we could do to stop this. Everyone responsible for making it happen should be ashamed of themselves.
Lee Payton - February 11, 2012
Of course they’ve got to have noticed. It really reduces my respect for Naazim that he lets this go on.
BoxAnne - February 12, 2012
I’ve been waiting for someone to make that comment. Suzanne.
Nazim is accorded tremendous respect and thus far for good reason but he must see what we o…and he should do something about it soon.
pakinpower - February 12, 2012
oscar really changing the game huh?
Vicmatic1 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I wonder if Naazim thinks Shane still has something left. and oddly enough, as horrible as the fight is, I’d be more interested in a 24/7 for this than the main. super saturated colors, contrast of young and old. I realize this is nonsense, but just saying.
Sentimental - February 11, 2012 via Android app
24/7, I dunno, but a genuine documentary on the possible last fight of an old star would be sad and beautiful.
El Destruyo - February 11, 2012
not quite that, but the tv version of This American Life has a good/sad episode on opponents. I think the episode is called ‘underdogs’. different from what you’re describing, but there are worse ways to spend 30 minutes.
Sentimental - February 11, 2012 via Android app
I know the one you’re talking about. Thought it was pretty perfect actually; the TV TAL had some excellent segments.
El Destruyo - February 11, 2012
umm....about those rankings
Hey Scott-
Great article, and I agree with your assessment of Mosley. My question is: why do you have him ranked as the #8 welterweight at all? Strength of competition that blew him out of the arena?
Do you think, right now, that he would be able to beat Selcuk Aydin or Luis Abregu or Antonin Decarie or Brad Solomon? I don’t think that he would. Should he be ranked where he is over some other deserving young fighters?
Pj box fan - February 11, 2012
I think he’s ranked about right.
Welterweight is not exactly deep with world class talent past the top 5 or so at the moment.
Matt Mosley - February 11, 2012
By comparison, the Ring have him at no.10.
Matt Mosley - February 11, 2012
I’ve actually thought about this a lot, and those are some of the names that I’ve considered. As much as I doubt Mosley’s ability to beat anyone solid anymore, I do believe there are fighters he could beat — maybe Abregu, probably Decarie, Aydin might be too busy, Solomon would probably win.
But one thing I try to do with the rankings is leave my personal feelings out as much as possible. None of those guys have really done anything great, either — frankly, I’m not 100% certain that Vyacheslav Senchenko would beat even this version of Mosley.
But I have thought about that ranking plenty. I agree it’s iffy.
Scott Christ - February 11, 2012
I wanna see Mosley use some footwork and defense to make this fight last. Mosley getting knocked out might mean very serious brain damage or death. The man is already pretty lost.
RyanSexton - February 11, 2012
I completely see why they made this undercard fight, but I am not looking forward to it. I would much rather have seen Quillin fight Canello.
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Matt Miller - February 11, 2012
Mosley will stop this kid believe me….people are fudging him from his last three opponents which sounds reasonable until you look at who they are….Name one fighter that looked good against those guys recently??? Floyd makes everyone look bad so scratch that….Pac is the top 1 or 2 fighter in the world and only JMM has looked good against him and Sergio Mora has a style thats ugly and no one looks good against….Mosley i think may have more left than people think ofr Canelo expects.
BOXING MACHINE - February 11, 2012
fudging him?
Matt Mosley - February 11, 2012
As much as people keep saying this, it’s just not valid and doesn’t pass the smell test if you really examine the issue.
Yes, Mayweather and Pacquiao are great fighters, but if you actually bother looking closely, which I described above, it’s not that Mosley lost to them or lost badly, it’s more that he didn’t look anything like Shane Mosley at all. He didn’t fight like Shane Mosley. He was tentative, and either scared to fight or just totally unable to fight, or a mixture of the two.
He cannot let his hands go anymore. His reflexes are completely gone. His mind and body are not synched up anymore — I’m sure he wants to do better, but he’s tentative and trigger shy. There’s a lot more to learn from a fight than “Guy A won and Guy B lost but Guy A is really good so Guy B isn’t too bad.” It doesn’t always work that way.
And as for the Sergio Mora “fight,” let’s be serious here: Sergio Mora is a C+ fighter who the real Shane Mosley would have beaten handily. Brian Vera beat Sergio Mora in Mora’s next fight. If Mora were so impossibly difficult to combat, then a totally one-dimensional glorified club warrior like Vera shouldn’t have been close. Elvin Ayala took Sergio Mora to a draw. Mora is only mildly famous because of that TV show he won.
Mosley was passing his prime when he fought Vargas and Cotto in 2006-07. It’s been steady and natural, outside of the Margarito fight, which also has some extraordinary circumstances. The big performance Shane Mosley had left was Margarito. It has already happened. He’s 40 years old and not remotely who he used to be.
Scott Christ - February 11, 2012
You’re exactly right, Scott. When Mosley lost in the past he at least tried to win. When Wright totally outboxed him, he at least came forward and tried to let his hands go which resulted in him winning a few rounds. Now, he just backs up and wants to tap gloves the whole time. He is a different man in the ring altogether.
Kory Kitchen - February 11, 2012
Do you think that’s a concious change or that he thinks he’s still fighting the same way?
If that makes sense.
gravydeath - February 11, 2012
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