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On Freddie Roach: Episode 3 Recap

Episode 3 of "On Freddie Roach" shows us Roach's difficult task in coaching the 2012 U.S. Olympic Boxing Team.  (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

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Episode 3 of "On Freddie Roach" shows us Roach's difficult task in coaching the 2012 U.S. Olympic Boxing Team. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

Those who subscribe to the popular adage that "Boxing is Dead" might have a little fuel to their fire after watching Episode 3 of HBO's "On Freddie Roach". While Episode 2 dealt mostly with Freddie's brother Pepper having a stroke and ending up in the hospital, the third episode centers largely on Freddie's new gig as coach of the U.S. Olympic Boxing Team. With just a short while until the London 2012 games, Roach attends the U.S. Olympic Team Trials to get a closer glimpse of the guys he'll be tasked with coaching up in the months leading up to the games. What he sees isn't exactly pretty.

Star-divide

As the trials scene opens, Roach says via voiceover that the Olympics "aren't as important as they used to be." He then remarks that in the past, the Olympics have seen greats like Sugar Ray Leonard, and it makes you wonder whether or not he means that the Olympics aren't as important as they used to be, or simply aren't as good as they used to be Roach watches the semifinal bouts with former girlfriend and current Manager of his Wild Card Gym Marie Spivey next to him. There's an air of "What did I get myself into?" by Roach, as during a semifinal bout he seems almost shocked by the quality of the fighters. He says to Spivey how little experience the fighters seem to have and is surprised that this is a semifinal bout. Later, as he speaks to a pool of reporters at the trials, he says the fighters represent "Possibly our future of boxing right here."

However, as Roach begins training the final squad, he seems to warm up a bit. It's unclear whether he's come around on the overall talent level, or if it just seems less of a doomsday scenario than it had at the trials. The team, including Roach, undergoes a session from the USOC's sports psychologist, without the intended results. The kids are laughing at the psychologist's exercise of imagining an orange, and the camera shows us that Roach is, as well. Finally we see Roach working with the guys in the ring, and we see again that inside the ring is where Roach most enjoys being. After a session on the mitts with one of the young fighters, Roach pulls the novice aside and tells him that he can always come to Roach with any questions. He tries to teach the fighter about Manny Pacquiao's counter right over a jab, constantly being interrupted by the fighter who seemingly wants to impress Roach with knowledge he doesn't have. Still, Roach continues on with his teaching.

The final moments of the episode shows Freddie visiting Pepper in the hospital (earlier we saw Pepper in the hospital, but Freddie wasn't there). Before going, Freddie asks his girlfriend if she wants to come with him, and she gives the customary "I have to see what my schedule looks like" response that everybody uses when they don't want to go somewhere. Interestingly, Freddie responds by saying he might not go, since he's not a doctor and he can't exactly fix anything. But he does go, and what we see is a sort of awkward embrace between the two brothers. It's not often you see anybody give a fist pound to the person they're visiting in the hospital, especially if the two people are related.

We're halfway through Peter Berg's six-part series, and each episode has shown a totally different side of Roach. We've seen the trainer during the build up and climax of a big-time fight, him dealing with a personal family crisis, and him as the hopeful savior of amateur American boxing. It's been a wide range, and it will be interesting to see how the final three episodes shake out in terms of topic and content. Surely Pepper's condition will be a focal point, but perhaps it will mirror the mindset of Freddie Roach, who just wants to be in the ring training fighters.

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Regarding your observation about the Olympics, since I hail from Ye Olden Dayes, I immediately thought the obvious: Olympic fighters aren’t as good because the Games in fact are no longer important.

Aside from the unrecognizably altered realignment of the former East-West polarity, hot athletic prospects seem like they get jumped on by promoters and managers the way teen singers have gotten jumped on for one-hit wonders since the 1950s. It’s really hard for a kid in any field to resist the prospect of a “pro contract.” Also, there is the now much-rehearsed discussion of how, at least for the larger weight classes, there are better ways to court the (mostly illusory, but try telling that to an 18-year-old) prospect of making oodles of money without getting your brains scrambled and your face redesigned.

Also, there is more fast-food employment, community colleges, and (unfortunately) educational loan programs and fast-food type credit card offers than there were even 10 or 20 years ago.

These may not be tickets out of poverty, and for some they may in fact be tickets into even deeper poverty, but they beat being beaten.

Just my musings.

I also think the fact that the amateur and pro games are so different these days means that it’s better to turn pro early. The Sugar Ray Leonard that turned pro in 77 would have beaten a lot of decent contenders today in his debut. If he was turning pro now he’d need 20 fights before he fought anyone good.

Yes. That was one of the points I was trying to make, in my convoluted and roundabout ways. Prospects may get jumped on early by the business end of it, so that there is no point in trying to add Olympic experience to a resume.

But the sport of amateur boxing

Is just a lot less relevant to the pro sport post-Seoul. They changed scoring after the Roy Jones robbery, and the newer scoring system makes the skill set that translates well to the pro game much less important.

Yes, correct.

I’ll often see kids fight where one kid will clearly, clearly be dominating the fight. (if it were scored like the pros). And because of the stupid scoring system, the kid will lose. I hate the scoring system. It discourages a pro-style fight.

Pepper brings back some fond Boston memories

Pepper is one hell of an interesting, salty guy.

I always liked Freddie Roach just fine and found him to be a rather fascinating person, and this show has done nothing but increase that. There’s so much more to him than we’ve seen before that we’re seeing now — this series may not be a huge ratings hit or whatever, but this is great TV.

I love it. You see why he’s so successful at what he does.

My feelings on the show are kind of weird – I think each episode tries to cover too much ground, and episode 2 and 3 have been fairly uninteresting, but I can’t help but feel some kind of connection with the TV show. I don’t consider the show to be very ‘good’, but I definitely enjoy it. Perhaps with all episodes done I will be able to appreciate it as a whole more, though.

As for Amateur careers… I think there used to be an understanding, and in some cases there is, that an Olympic competitor has most of his pre-requisites done with, and is able to jump into the pro rankings… However, if you can get there, while getting paid, without fighting a hundred opponents, then it obviously might make more sense. I think boxing is really sink or swim these days, so whoever is good is going to be good. I still prefer Amateur-schooled boxers over insta-pros, but you can’t deny that it doesn’t always matter.

As I recall it, there was, and perhaps still is, a fairly sizable chasm between Olympic skills and professional skills. The basic technique would have to be there in order for an Olympic boxer to be successful as such, and then make the jump to professional, but there was a significant period of adjustment to professional rules and practices.

The adjustment to this jump was, in former times, the biggest unknown in a successful Olympic fighter’s prospective professional future.

Scott any idea where UK fans can get hands on any of the episodes?

it seemed like with the discussion of Ali and his Parkinson’s, Freddie’s Parkinson’s, and Pepper’s strokes, the director seemed to be highlighting just how devastating a sport boxing can be. Ali, Freddie, and his brother are living proof of that…

In Pepper’s case, the drugs would probably have a lot to do with it.

My one issue with the show centers around its need to constantly remind us that Marie Spivey is Roach’s ex-girlfriend. It seems clumsy attempt to force sexual tension into every scene she’s in, as if to keep the viewer of its heels in anticipation of some rekindled flame. It’s fine to let us know from the get-go that she and Roach dated, but is it really relevant now, in the 3rd episode It’s artificial (if somewhat subtle) drama in a series that, aside from this, is largely free of it.

Well… His new girl is portrayed as a bitch and his old girlfriend is cool and looks like she is like 25? So obviously she’s awesome and should be on camera pretty often… How does Roach date a girl way hotter than Jinkee P? I mean, Spivey’s not Rachael Cordingley (Froch’s girl) but she’s definitely a nice one… Why am I even speaking?

Side note: Why is Sports illustrated calling this a ‘Reality TV Show’?

Because nobody wants to watch a documentary
I'm going on two hours sleep and what is this?

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